@jkb Back then, we came to an online community understanding the value of that community, both to itself and to each other. We didn't go to a group just to spout and spew to satisfy our own personal desires for attention. We came to alt.cyberpunk and comp.sys.mac to be part of something bigger than ourselves, and to return something to the group in appreciation. Canter and Seigel kinda broke that, and it's been downhill and Eternal September ever since.