Proposal: USians stop using “PST” and “EST” and start saying “UTC-8” and “UTC-5” so I can work out what actual damn time you mean in my head.

Alternately, list local and UTC?

Also it’d be great if you didn’t use “summer” and “winter” as an approximate date. Sincerely, the other hemisphere.

like given *we* don’t use (mathematically-correct) YYYYMMDD I’m willing to cut you some slack on MMDDYYYY but this is where I draw the line.

@ticky Been in US for almost 3 decades now, still not happy with MMDDYYYY. In fact traditionally in astrophysics we do use YYYYMMDD although younger generation seems to do this less alas.

@planet4589 yeah I guess DDMMYYYY is winning. It’s practical I guess but given it’s mathematically backwards I wish it weren’t winning…

@ticky Don't worry, its use will go down with the coming collapse of the USA.