Interesting Q from MEP Beata Kampa: Does NSO have information about how many crimes have been prevented or how many lives saved thanks to #Pegasus (aka the purposes NSO claims the software is built for)?
#NSO dude first admits that they do not have any data;
but then claims without any evidence that it must be "thousands of lives saved" and -- hold it -- even brings up paedophiles, because of course he does.
Another great #Pegasus committee moment captured by @jsrailton over at Twitter:
Independent research said the number of targets was over 50,000.
MEP Körner follows his colleague Heide with good questions on numbers, #NSO refuses to respond to most of them.
Except: More than 5 EU member states are NSO customer.
Excellent question by @HNeumannMEP: What kind of regulation would be needed for companies like #NSO?
NSO answer: "We would need something like weapons controls."
So the company agrees they are selling weapons??
And now Polish MEP Sikorski on fire:
"I am contacting you as a victim, how can I now that I have been targeted by #Pegasus?"
"Are you proud of targeting the Polish opposition?"
Other good Qs from MEP @salima_yenbou: What is #NSOs definition of terrorism?
A: "a clear threat of violence against an institution" -- this sounds veeery broad to me and could easily include protesters in oppressive regimes.
The only positive aspect in #NSO's responses I could find so far: they made explicit reference to @FbdnStories and @AmnestyTech reporting.
@ilumium Beata Kempa is from PiS, Polish ruling right-wing party. PiS government bought Pegasus and notoriously used it against opposition figures.
Kempa was sending him a soft ball question.
@rysiek Yes, I know (and dislike) Kempa's political affiliation but still thought it was an interesting question. :)
@rysiek Ah no worries, I find it often difficult myself to decide how to handle contributions from extreme political parties.
@ilumium https://multimedia.europarl.europa.eu/en/webstreaming/committee-of-inquiry-to-investigate-use-of-pegasus-and-equivalent-surveillance-spyware_20220621-1500-COMMITTEE-PEGA for those who want to follow.
Very interesting, thanks!
TLDR: Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
- we are not responsible for how our tools are used
- we won't disclose our $customers$
- that's more important than your privacy
- if you only target "terrorism" then you can give us the list of users and targets
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