@kragen@nerdculture.de My evolving thought is that privacy is an emergent concept, it's a force that grows proportionately to the ability to invade personal space and sanctum.

Pretechnical society had busybodies, gossibs, evesdroppers, spies, and assassins.

But if you wanted to listen to or observe someone, you had to put a body in proximity to do it. Preliterate (or largely so) society plebes didn't even leave paper trails. A baptismal, marriage, and will, if you were lucky.

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@kragen@nerdculture.de We're at an age where a chat amongst friends, as here, is creating a distributed global written record, doubtless being scraped by academics, corporations, and state and nonstate surveillance systems.

US phone call history records date to the mid-1980s (if not before). Purchase, social, employment, and location records are comprehensive for at least the past decade, if not five or more.

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If privacy is the ability to define and defend limits on information disclosure, there is precious little left.

The information glut is so immense that even multi-billion-dollar-funded state intelligence apparatus cannot meaningfully utilise the information preemptively. And yet those same state actors leak and lose their own personnel and intelligence data. Political organisations have email leaked. Generals and possibly presidents are downed.

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@kragen@nerdculture.de The same state actors drop death on the sky based on cellphone metadata and other data traces.

And those are the ones we think of as the good guys.

China, Saudi, Israel, Russia, and who knows who all else, are doing far worse.

And we're only really a decade in to this brave new mobile-data-surveillance world.

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