@zardoz @dredmorbius @kick @enkiv2 @freakazoid yeah, they kind of already did. the question from my point of view is how to change the rules of the game to keep them from creating barriers to entry that allow them to dollar-auction their way into net-negative social value

@kragen You'd likely have to undermine their business model.

On the positive side, this is a dynamic which can be used to play megacorps (and possibly other interests) off one another.

That notion goes back to IBM's Earthquake Memo, ~1998.

I'm not sure if you were at the LinuxWorld Expo where copies of that were being shown around, probably 1999, NYC.

Tim O'Reilly wrote on that in Open Sources.

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@dredmorbius @zardoz @kick @enkiv2 @freakazoid I think it goes back longer than that; IIRC Gumby commented on the fsb list in the mid-1990s that he wasn't worried about other companies contributing code to GCC and GDB because Cygnus could then turn around and sell the improved versions to Cygnus's customers. Of course those customers could get the software without paying, but they found Cygnus's offering valuable enough to pay for, and competitors' contributions just increased that value.

@kragen Fair enough. "At least" to the Earthquake Doc.

Though that *specifically* laid out the policy of adopting an Open Source orientation for IBM specifically to compete more effectively against Microsoft and Sun.

Similarly: Netscape's assault against Microsoft, with browsers (and trying to break the desktop stranglehold), Sun's release of StarOffice, Google turning Microsoft's AJAX against MSFT via Gmail, etc., etc.

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@dredmorbius @kragen @zardoz @kick @enkiv2 One reason companies are able to out-develop non-commercial organizations is that they're more able to make it people's full time job. So the problem to solve here is funding. A UBI would probably do it, but I think there are other ways, mostly involving collectivization. Coding communes: pool resources and minimize people's cost of living.

@freakazoid Absolutely. Commercialism's capacity to moblise resources is phenomenal.

Early work on Free Software as an organisational model (see Coleman's and O'Mahoney's works, among others) suggested FS/OS was an organisational model which could displace traditional propreitary SW dev. And in some cases it has.

Others not so much.

And it can be *adopted* by commercial enterprises (or govs, edus, orgs) as well, combining capital + FS/OS.

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@dredmorbius @freakazoid @kragen @zardoz @enkiv2 One of the biggest things inhibiting libre software from taking over the world was takeovers, I think. Can you imagine how different things would seem if every outfit that resembles Cygnus even vaguely wasn't scooped up by Red Hat?

@kick @zardoz @enkiv2 @dredmorbius @freakazoid I'm not sure; I think GCC usage has gone up dramatically since 2000, and it's mostly been Clang rather than icc or VC++ that has been the competition. Certainly Cygnus's owners *expected* the RH purchase to increase Cygnus's power, not decrease it.

@kick @zardoz @enkiv2 @dredmorbius @freakazoid well I guess from another point of view the main competition for what GCC did in 2000 has been new programming languages and Python, almost all of which are free software

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