I would totally pay a global tax to the UN to get access to a truly free internet run by them. And I would even pay tenfold to give that same freedom to nine people I don’t know and who might be totally against my values. 1/2

@dredmorbius and I’m on your side. So let’s move onward. Find better solutions. Expose the failures. Iterate. Look forward.

@jwildeboer So, a couple of approaches I try to use:

1. Establish common ground or agreement.

2. Identify concerns or disagreeent.

3. Seek to expand 1 and shrink 2.

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@jwildeboer A first question might be:

What problem are you trying to solve?

E.g., what's wrong with present systems? What do you want to do?

@dredmorbius I’ve said that in this very thread three times. We. Need. Global. Governance. For. Global. Problems. And our current systems do not deliver, as you pointed out. So. What’s next?

@jwildeboer @dredmorbius

Not clear. That depends upon the properties of the system involved. There is an entire discipline of study around systems and 'global problems need global solutions' is not always true. There is also a whole raft of important structure around sustainable systems (viable systems as Beer calls them).

Simple example - imagine the creation in one location by one group of a dirt cheap ultra capacity battery. That will cause meaningful global change.

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@EtchedPixels In the case of improved battery tech: absent some mechanism for capping overall energy utilisation, improving utilisation effectiveness tends to increase rather than decrease total use.

Imposing a global cap by some means (global coordination) is required. That's effectively the IPCC / Paris / Rio / Copenhagen / Montreal accords problem.

@jwildeboer

@dredmorbius @jwildeboer Eventually yes - physics turns it into a black body radiation problem although it becomes a problem well before 8)

@EtchedPixels That problem will definitely solve itself. To whose satisfaction is the relevant question.

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