good-news follow-up:

> Biz U-turns, unbans office political chat, will vet customers
There's a line somewhere and we may just draw it

Revised policies "allow GitLab to shun customers that engage in unlawful behavior, threaten or disparage the GitLab community, and encourage violence or discrimination against legally protected groups. Political discussions are no longer banned by fiat but are politely discouraged to avoid unnecessary friction."

theregister.co.uk/2019/10/17/g

@dredmorbius Just self host and we all should be fine. ForgeFed is also working to make this better.

@IceWolf
I propose using someone else's hosted solution. Such as a public GitLab or Gitea instance.
@dredmorbius

@masterofthetiger @IceWolf @dredmorbius

There are no clean companies. The second they apply for liability protection by incorporating, they're dirty. So I don't judge companies on their politics. I judge them on whether their products serve my purposes. Boycotting everybody who has ever done something I don't like makes Bill a very lonely fellow.

@billstclair @dredmorbius @IceWolf @masterofthetiger

"The second they apply for liability protection by incorporating, they're dirty."

Or maybe, they are just trying to survive. It's often the case that assholes use the "Justice system" as a tool to beat down others for political reasons or just to raid their pocketbooks. The lawsuits against gun manufacturers is an example.

@masterofthetiger @dredmorbius Ah, makes sense! Hm...so would everyone make an account on said public instance to contribute to my project, kind of like GitHub now?

(I really wish we had federation, particularly for accounts. I think Gitea's working on that though IIRC.)

@IceWolf
Yes. They would have to. That's why I'd prefer more "mainstream" instances like Codeberg for now tbh.

Federation is being developed by @forgefed, and it is hoped it will be implemented in Gitea, GitLab, and many others.
@dredmorbius

@dredmorbius Once again, I am glad I don't use a product that people kept telling me to use and didn't want to see problems with.

BTW, If you're looking for a substitute, I can very much recommend hosting your own #gitea instance.

Unlike GitLab, it comes *without* memory leaks that are worked around rather than fixed. :P

@phryk @dredmorbius I tried gitea after using gogs, which was "ok...but no..." and after trying it out, decided to see about moving my home gitlab instance over.

Absolutely painless.

So, I converted my public facing instance to Gitea.

I might consider putting up a public instance for folks if this keeps up, along with instructions on how to keep one locally for your own development.

But seriously - do give it a try. It's excellent, and takes nowhere near the resources gitlab did.

@dredmorbius Why d'you think Gitlab isn't an acceptable choice ?

@dredmorbius but but that would then mean all the arguments in this HN thread are wrong?!?

news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2

(content warning: Joe Rogan, cluelessness, and boot licking all the way down)

@joeyh Shock! Horror! Film at 11!

(Yes, pretty disappointing discussion.)

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