@hfaust feed small devs, and patent what they do :-) The circle is complete

@boilingsteam The amount of straight up invented stuff in that blog post is worrying. It's like somebody glanced at the history of the past 25 years of Linux desktop development and then decided to write an AU fan fiction of it.

@ebassi @boilingsteam I read it, and the author speaks with such authority, but at the same time the things he said doesn't seem to match what I know and saw.

There was a lot of drama in the Linux desktop world, but fear of being sued by MS is not something I've ever heard even being mentioned in passing.

Gnome having OSX envy though, that's something everybody were taking about.

@loke @boilingsteam It's funny, because the real inspiration for many of the GNOME post-2.x era designs was webOS—which also inspired macOS/iOS, Android, and Windows

@ebassi @boilingsteam The two parties I blame for the mess are: GNOME with their "we know best and you're just to like it" attitude, and Ubuntu with their equally harmful "we want to do it our way even though a better alternative already exists".

Interestingly enough, both GNOME and Ubuntu is sticking with this even today, so they never learned anything.

@loke @boilingsteam we are sticking with the “after 25 years we kind of know what we’re doing” strategy because, unsurprisingly, it has worked: GNOME is the most used desktop environment on Linux. The good part is that, if you don’t like what we’re doing, you can use something else or, and I know this might be a step too far, you can take advantage of the license and do your own thing. There’s also the option of joining us though that requires you compromise with other people.

@ebassi @loke isnt it a default choice rather than a user choice? A lot of distros ship with Gnome by default.

@boilingsteam @loke You're overestimating how many people change their default, especially when that involves installing a completely different environment. Sure: some people do that, and some people end up liking tiling window managers more than a complete environment; but even on Linux people tend to stick to the default of their distro. It's more likely they'll distro-hop rather than install KDE on Ubuntu, or Sway on Fedora.

@ebassi @loke Please read my previous message again - I think we are saying the same thing. Defaults are what drives adoption, not user's choice.

@boilingsteam I'm old enough to remember software such as Galeon, pictured, which I think goes a lot further to explain where Gnome 3 came from. Applications, and the desktop itself, were becoming extremely complicated and dense ui's were making software less discoverable. Another example, Gimp, had 3 open windows at once in it's default interface at the time. Each of those windows had it's own menu bar. Gnome 3 was a rethinking of a bad direction. In hindsight, they were right.

@boilingsteam the idea Microsoft had anything to do with it is a huge stretch, anyway. They (Microsoft) had been threatening a lawsuit for so many years by that time that everyone knew it was an empty threat. I tend to think of Gnome 3 as a brave experiment that ultimately paid off, after a bit of a rough start. Some transitions are painful. The project took a huge leap of faith, attempting to build something truly unique and forward thinking. The article does Gnome a disservice.

@jeang3nie @boilingsteam

It's such a shame that Gecko stopped being embeddeable. And yeah, Galeon is a pretty good example considering it became Epiphany exactly because it was becoming too complex.

@lionirdeadman @boilingsteam Gecko is another pet peeve of mine. Xulrunner was a great idea that absolutely should have been continued. I use qutebrowser daily because I like the keyboard driven interface, but every day I wish that it was using Gecko for rendering.

Off in the weeds though.

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